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Conference Realignment - RhowdyRam02 - Frank Keaney - Posts: 11490 - Joined: 12 years ago - x 7841 Re: Conference Realignment Maybe its just residual distrust after the Greek amphitheater fiasco near Fine Arts, but Im pretty leary of private/public partnerships involving URI. I certainly want to see how things go with the dorms for a few years before I cite that as a success story and something we should emulate elsewhere on campus 2 x Drink Rhody Ruckus Lager and Rhody Ram IPA. Our roster depends on it. https://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?p=623291&sid=a6cd242cd0730937a024f2bcd955ead4#p623291 No reason to distrust private/public partnerships based on the Greek amphitheater experience. For a private/public partnership to work you need to closely examine the financial strength or deep pockets of the private entity. This was not done is this case because any kind of analysis would have shown financial weakness and the project would not have gone forward.wrote:[?]3 days ago Maybe its just residual distrust after the Greek amphitheater fiasco near Fine Arts, but Im pretty leary of private/public partnerships involving URI. I certainly want to see how things go with the dorms for a few years before I cite that as a success story and something we should emulate elsewhere on campus Constructing college residence with private companies is doable, because the capital risk involved is mitigated by possible University mandates.

For example, when a development company decides to build new rental or condo project, the capital risk is that you do not fill the building or meet the breakeven point. But in university residence hall projects that risk is minimized or eliminated because any prospect of a utilization below breakeven is offset by the University mandating that not only freshman have to live on campus, but now also sophomores. This safe protection of risk capital is why many companies have rushed into building residence halls in cooperation with Universities. One local company that has a large division devoted to such activities is Picerone Properties called Corvias. They will build new residence halls or renovate old ones and also get involved with building on campus hotels. We now see Gilbane is interested in this development sector. These are all companies with deep pockets and/or the credibility to tap into sources of risk capital. 1 x - NYGFan_Section208 - Frank Keaney - Posts: 13229 - Joined: 9 years ago - x 7208 https://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?p=623292&sid=a6cd242cd0730937a024f2bcd955ead4#p623292 Have stayed there a couple times, no complaints, great arena proximitywrote:[?]3 days agoActually, if you start a hospitality and tourism major like UMass has you can get those students and professionals to run the hotel.

Hotel UMass is rated 4.3 stars on Google, so seems like that model works well for them[section(105)]wrote:[?]3 days agoYes, would love to see that. On campus, within walking to most of campus buildings, a place for visiting folks, parents, visiting VIPs in their field of study, a classy on campus destination run by a leading hospitality company, not state. Also, not out on the Plains Rd desert area. Also not part of the development of a new train station. Have at it.wrote: with sports bar 1 x https://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?p=623293&sid=a6cd242cd0730937a024f2bcd955ead4#p623293 Good stuff, Ob.[Obadiah]wrote:[?]3 days agoNo reason to distrust private/public partnerships based on the Greek amphitheater experience. For a private/public partnership to work you need to closely examine the financial strength or deep pockets of the private entity. This was not done is this case because any kind of analysis would have shown financial weakness and the project would not have gone forward.wrote:[?]3 days ago Maybe its just residual distrust after the Greek amphitheater fiasco near Fine Arts, but Im pretty leary of private/public partnerships involving URI. I certainly want to see how things go with the dorms for a few years before I cite that as a success story and something we should emulate elsewhere on campus Constructing college residence with private companies is doable, because the capital risk involved is mitigated by possible University mandates.

For example, when a development company decides to build new rental or condo project, the capital risk is that you do not fill the building or meet the breakeven point. But in university residence hall projects that risk is minimized or eliminated because any prospect of a utilization below breakeven is offset by the University mandating that not only freshman have to live on campus, but now also sophomores. This safe protection of risk capital is why many companies have rushed into building residence halls in cooperation with Universities. One local company that has a large division devoted to such activities is Picerone Properties called Corvias. They will build new residence halls or renovate old ones and also get involved with building on campus hotels. We now see Gilbane is interested in this development sector. These are all companies with deep pockets and/or the credibility to tap into sources of risk capital. I am familiar with Picerne, Corvias and Gilbane. From what I know of them from before I had to retire, they are excellent options. I am excited to see The University moving in this direction for specific needs. On a separate note, did you happen to see my post in the Ry Center Experience thread.

Could you assist in any way? Feel free to PM me. 0 x https://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?p=623298&sid=a6cd242cd0730937a024f2bcd955ead4#p623298 Check your private messages.[Jdrums#3]wrote:[?]3 days agoGood stuff, Ob.[Obadiah]wrote:[?]3 days agoNo reason to distrust private/public partnerships based on the Greek amphitheater experience. For a private/public partnership to work you need to closely examine the financial strength or deep pockets of the private entity. This was not done is this case because any kind of analysis would have shown financial weakness and the project would not have gone forward.wrote:[?]3 days ago Maybe its just residual distrust after the Greek amphitheater fiasco near Fine Arts, but Im pretty leary of private/public partnerships involving URI. I certainly want to see how things go with the dorms for a few years before I cite that as a success story and something we should emulate elsewhere on campus Constructing college residence with private companies is doable, because the capital risk involved is mitigated by possible University mandates. For example, when a development company decides to build new rental or condo project, the capital risk is that you do not fill the building or meet the breakeven point.

But in university residence hall projects that risk is minimized or eliminated because any prospect of a utilization below breakeven is offset by the University mandating that not only freshman have to live on campus, but now also sophomores. This safe protection of risk capital is why many companies have rushed into building residence halls in cooperation with Universities. One local company that has a large division devoted to such activities is Picerone Properties called Corvias. They will build new residence halls or renovate old ones and also get involved with building on campus hotels. We now see Gilbane is interested in this development sector. These are all companies with deep pockets and/or the credibility to tap into sources of risk capital. I am familiar with Picerne, Corvias and Gilbane. From what I know of them from before I had to retire, they are excellent options. I am excited to see The University moving in this direction for specific needs. On a separate note, did you happen to see my post in the Ry Center Experience thread. Could you assist in any way? Feel free to PM me. 0 x https://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?p=623391&sid=a6cd242cd0730937a024f2bcd955ead4#p623391 OK, back to the re-alignment issue.

Lets talk about the URI fan base. When I described the fan base as great many here objected to that and I admit some overstating, but my point is we have an attractive fan base, definitely in the upper tier of the A-10. A vigorous fan base is important because at any school it indicates the level of interest in the BB program and this is critical to private funding important in the NIL era. So all efforts to enlarge the fan base should be applauded, but the key is winning and winning on a more consistent basis. But let me point one uniqueness of the URI fan base and that is its quick transitory enlargement when we reach the Big Dance. This is the “Cinderella” effect. Being a tiny state, URI gets this attention because we are the little mouse that roared. We see this all the time in the NCAAs. We saw it in Oklahoma City when we beat Murray State and Kansas and a renowned sportswriter, John Rohde (he pronounces his last name as Rhody) commented how he got enthralled by repeatedly hearing his name in the Let’s go Rhody chants. He became a URI fan. We also saw it in Sacramento when we beat Creighton and in Pittsburgh when Alabama and Iona fans supported us as we beat Oklahoma. This Cinderella effect even brings in some stray donations.

Yes, other schools play a Cinderella role at times, but URI is the premier Cinderella school. We can always savor that fact if we reach March Madness. But let me point one uniqueness of the URI fan base and that is its quick transitory enlargement when we reach the Big Dance. This is the “Cinderella” effect. Being a tiny state, URI gets this attention because we are the little mouse that roared. We see this all the time in the NCAAs. We saw it in Oklahoma City when we beat Murray State and Kansas and a renowned sportswriter, John Rohde (he pronounces his last name as Rhody) commented how he got enthralled by repeatedly hearing his name in the Let’s go Rhody chants. He became a URI fan. We also saw it in Sacramento when we beat Creighton and in Pittsburgh when Alabama and Iona fans supported us as we beat Oklahoma. This Cinderella effect even brings in some stray donations. Yes, other schools play a Cinderella role at times, but URI is the premier Cinderella school. We can always savor that fact if we reach March Madness. 2 x https://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?p=623396&sid=a6cd242cd0730937a024f2bcd955ead4#p623396 The Rhody Cinderella effect. Excellent, Ob! Ob, a question: What level of consistent winning do you and others here think we need? For example, we may not finish 1st in the A10 or win the A10 auto bid to go to the NCAAT this season but it has still been an exciting season so far and worthy, imho, of attracting more fans.

Will 2 straight years of this level build the fanbase before growth levels off and we have to make the NCAAT to grow more? I figure the words consistent and winning mean different things to different people, which is why I ask the two questions above. What do you and others here think? Excellent, Ob! Ob, a question: What level of consistent winning do you and others here think we need? For example, we may not finish 1st in the A10 or win the A10 auto bid to go to the NCAAT this season but it has still been an exciting season so far and worthy, imho, of attracting more fans. Will 2 straight years of this level build the fanbase before growth levels off and we have to make the NCAAT to grow more? I figure the words consistent and winning mean different things to different people, which is why I ask the two questions above. What do you and others here think? 0 x - PeterRamTime - Frank Keaney - Posts: 11108 - Joined: 10 years ago - x 7097 https://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?p=623403&sid=a6cd242cd0730937a024f2bcd955ead4#p623403 We are a lovable underdog.[Obadiah]wrote:[?]2 days ago OK, back to the re-alignment issue. Lets talk about the URI fan base. When I described the fan base as great many here objected to that and I admit some overstating, but my point is we have an attractive fan base, definitely in the upper tier of the A-10.

A vigorous fan base is important because at any school it indicates the level of interest in the BB program and this is critical to private funding important in the NIL era. So all efforts to enlarge the fan base should be applauded, but the key is winning and winning on a more consistent basis. But let me point one uniqueness of the URI fan base and that is its quick transitory enlargement when we reach the Big Dance. This is the “Cinderella” effect. Being a tiny state, URI gets this attention because we are the little mouse that roared. We see this all the time in the NCAAs. We saw it in Oklahoma City when we beat Murray State and Kansas and a renowned sportswriter, John Rohde (he pronounces his last name as Rhody) commented how he got enthralled by repeatedly hearing his name in the Let’s go Rhody chants. He became a URI fan. We also saw it in Sacramento when we beat Creighton and in Pittsburgh when Alabama and Iona fans supported us as we beat Oklahoma. This Cinderella effect even brings in some stray donations. Yes, other schools play a Cinderella role at times, but URI is the premier Cinderella school. We can always savor that fact if we reach March Madness. While working in a restaurant in VA back during our 2017 run, I remember my co-workers reporting back to me how they were all hovered around the TV rooting for us against Oregon.

Another friend at a bar reported the same thing. Normal for any underdog Lets get back there this year damnit. Someone order David Green a bionic shoulder... 3 x God gave us light and now he has given us....no hope? https://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?p=623435&sid=a6cd242cd0730937a024f2bcd955ead4#p623435 I have to be careful in answering you by balancing what I would like URI to achieve with being realistic, so let me give it a shot with the frame work being 10 years.[Jdrums#3]wrote:[?]2 days ago The Rhody Cinderella effect. Excellent, Ob! Ob, a question: What level of consistent winning do you and others here think we need? For example, we may not finish 1st in the A10 or win the A10 auto bid to go to the NCAAT this season but it has still been an exciting season so far and worthy, imho, of attracting more fans. Will 2 straight years of this level build the fanbase before growth levels off and we have to make the NCAAT to grow more? I figure the words consistent and winning mean different things to different people, which is why I ask the two questions above. What do you and others here think? 1. URI has a winning season in nine of the 10 years. 2. URI wins the A-10 title or tourney 2-3 times in the period.

3. URI makes the NCAA twice and advances beyond the first round both times. This level of success in two years will enlarge the URI fan base and following. If URI achieves this level or better, in ten years there will be a major renovation of the Ryan Center to include the addition of 1500 seats, the construction of a student section wall on North end or both ends a la the new LA pro arena, 2X enlarged lobbies on both the South and North sides the installation of escalators, the construction of a Food Court on west side of a arena, the addition of a pub restaurant, the addition of six mobile carts to provide beer and small snacks on a quick service basis, new suites on mezzanine level and enlarged restrooms. 5 x https://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?p=623801&sid=a6cd242cd0730937a024f2bcd955ead4#p623801 [Obadiah]wrote:[?]1 day agoI have to be careful in answering you by balancing what I would like URI to achieve with being realistic, so let me give it a shot with the frame work being 10 years.[Jdrums#3]wrote:[?]2 days ago The Rhody Cinderella effect. Excellent, Ob! Ob, a question: What level of consistent winning do you and others here think we need? For example, we may not finish 1st in the A10 or win the A10 auto bid to go to the NCAAT this season but it has still been an exciting season so far and worthy, imho, of attracting more fans.

Will 2 straight years of this level build the fanbase before growth levels off and we have to make the NCAAT to grow more? I figure the words consistent and winning mean different things to different people, which is why I ask the two questions above. What do you and others here think? 1. URI has a winning season in nine of the 10 years. 2. URI wins the A-10 title or tourney 2-3 times in the period. 3. URI makes the NCAA twice and advances beyond the first round both times. This level of success in two years will enlarge the URI fan base and following. If URI achieves this level or better, in ten years there will be a major renovation of the Ryan Center to include the addition of 1500 seats, the construction of a student section wall on North end or both ends a la the new LA pro arena, 2X enlarged lobbies on both the South and North sides the installation of escalators, the construction of a Food Court on west side of a arena, the addition of a pub restaurant, the addition of six mobile carts to provide beer and small snacks on a quick service basis, new suites on mezzanine level and enlarged restrooms. I’ll take “Things that will never happen for $2000, Alex.” Talk about delusional, my god man.

We’ve NEVER had a stretch like that you listed. EVER. And that was before the portal and NIL, making it even harder for mid majors to have sustained success. That’s you balancing what you want them to achieve vs being realistic, and you land on THAT? If you actually think that’s realistic, I’ll take whatever you’re drinking and smoking. Get a grip man. 0 x Go Rhody https://keaneyblue.com/viewtopic.php?p=623818&sid=a6cd242cd0730937a024f2bcd955ead4#p623818 I think you misread the question I was asked by drums and my answer, so to repeat:[Rhody15]wrote:[?]51 minutes ago[Obadiah]wrote:[?]1 day agoI have to be careful in answering you by balancing what I would like URI to achieve with being realistic, so let me give it a shot with the frame work being 10 years.[Jdrums#3]wrote:[?]2 days ago The Rhody Cinderella effect. Excellent, Ob! Ob, a question: What level of consistent winning do you and others here think we need? For example, we may not finish 1st in the A10 or win the A10 auto bid to go to the NCAAT this season but it has still been an exciting season so far and worthy, imho, of attracting more fans. Will 2 straight years of this level build the fanbase before growth levels off and we have to make the NCAAT to grow more? I figure the words consistent and winning mean different things to different people, which is why I ask the two questions above.

What do you and others here think? 1. URI has a winning season in nine of the 10 years. 2. URI wins the A-10 title or tourney 2-3 times in the period. 3. URI makes the NCAA twice and advances beyond the first round both times. This level of success in two years will enlarge the URI fan base and following. If URI achieves this level or better, in ten years there will be a major renovation of the Ryan Center to include the addition of 1500 seats, the construction of a student section wall on North end or both ends a la the new LA pro arena, 2X enlarged lobbies on both the South and North sides the installation of escalators, the construction of a Food Court on west side of a arena, the addition of a pub restaurant, the addition of six mobile carts to provide beer and small snacks on a quick service basis, new suites on mezzanine level and enlarged restrooms. I’ll take “Things that will never happen for $2000, Alex.” Talk about delusional, my god man. We’ve NEVER had a stretch like that you listed. EVER. And that was before the portal and NIL, making it even harder for mid majors to have sustained success. That’s you balancing what you want them to achieve vs being realistic, and you land on THAT? If you actually think that’s realistic, I’ll take whatever you’re drinking and smoking.

Get a grip man. Ob, a question: What level of consistent winning do you and others here think we need? For example, we may not finish 1st in the A10 or win the A10 auto bid to go to the NCAAT this season but it has still been an exciting season so far and worthy, imho, of attracting more fans. Will 2 straight years of this level build the fanbase before growth levels off and we have to make the NCAAT to grow more?: I wasnt asked what was my prediction for URI, I was asked what level of consistent winning is NEEDED TO BUILD THE FAN BASE. P.S. In a period in the late 90s and 2000s we came close, had two NCAA appearances and thanks to Ryan Center we moved our attendance average from under 3000 to the 5,100 level 0 x

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